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lyra_song · Jan 11, 2008, 07:56 PM // 19:56

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Originally Posted by i am a princess

its an exploit that ANET CREATED. why should players have to pay for something that ANET did. why in the hell should those players who've spent god knows how much REAL life money into actually keeping up with the GW series.

Take responsibility for your actions.

Did you or did you not exploit the game?

Azarr#1 · Jan 11, 2008, 07:57 PM // 19:57

Again alot of you like the death penalty. Its not always the way to go simply go into the game and undo all that they took most of the people wouldnt mind if they did that its called a simple penalty not a total kill off are all of you from texas and think thats the way to go even if its in a game you cant just start killing off people that actually want to play and were willing to play GW2 because their human and want to try a simple little joy ride in the games glitches and ingame mechanics.

Fried Tech · Jan 11, 2008, 07:57 PM // 19:57

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Originally Posted by Rexion

they left the outpost open, they should have closed it when they were finished. it is ANets fault for even keeping it there... there will always be a person to use something that the Devs didn't get rid of... ANet should unban all of these people, or I will have lost respect for all they have done (not like I haven't already... since the game is getting boring as it is)

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Originally Posted by Cobalt

The problem might just be the whole area is in fact to damn tough thus players who want the good stuff from there start looking for easier ways to get it because they simply just can't the conventional way. This would make it just as much Anet's fault as the ban players.

I mean Anet created the scenario, hung the carrots out of most everyone's reach, what did they expect would happen?

You both just said that it is anets fault they got hacked?! WTF. Thats like saying "its her own fault she got raped. She shouldn't have looked so good."

Where do you get your reasoning?

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Originally Posted by Azarr#1

Again alot of you like the death penalty. Its not always the way to go simply go into the game and undo all that they took most of the people wouldnt mind if they did that its called a simple penalty not a total kill off are all of you from texas and think thats the way to go even if its in a game you cant just start killing off people that actually want to play and were willing to play GW2 because their human and want to try a simple little joy ride in the games glitches and ingame mechanics.

This is a video game. If you were given the "death penalty" you would just pop up at the nearest rez shrine

Drop of Fear · Jan 11, 2008, 07:58 PM // 19:58

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Originally Posted by truzo 117

but the skinnies of it. if anet made hidden towns more secure and checked for thing like this rather than nerfing para none of this would have hapend. its a pure accident how it came about

pure accident? don't make the whole cumunity laugh at these pointless statements.
u have been dishonest, account is banned. a.net wont chance is policy and hopefully bad exploiters will stay banned. live with it. u're wasting time crying here

Mystique Huntress · Jan 11, 2008, 07:59 PM // 19:59

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Originally Posted by i am a princess

its an exploit that ANET CREATED. why should players have to pay for something that ANET did. why in the hell should those players who've spent god knows how much REAL life money into actually keeping up with the GW series.

So, people who can't maintain self control and say no to something "available" to them that they know is wrong and against the rules shouldn't be banned?

Heh.

myrealnameismatt · Jan 11, 2008, 07:59 PM // 19:59

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Originally Posted by IslandHermet

They do play alot of GW only because it takes alot of 2 min runs to max the AB titles.

I fixed that since you now FFF is fast faction farming which has a very detailed calculator on wiki on how long it will take in exact mins and points and days to max this title.

And 1 more thing FFF guilds=players acting like bots not players involved in playing the game.

You have obviously never been part of that community - HA players running the same 8 skills day in day out might be considered that same way. FFF was just the activity that bought us together - there were many many people who played all aspects of the game with many maxed out titles, helping and supporting each other to become better pve'rs. There is nothing like a common goal to bring people together in the game and I for one think that our community was one of the most close-knit in the game.

Snow Bunny · Jan 11, 2008, 08:01 PM // 20:01

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Originally Posted by Azarr#1

Again alot of you like the death penalty. Its not always the way to go simply go into the game and undo all that they took most of the people wouldnt mind if they did that its called a simple penalty not a total kill off are all of you from texas and think thats the way to go even if its in a game you cant just start killing off people that actually want to play and were willing to play GW2 because their human and want to try a simple little joy ride in the games glitches and ingame mechanics.

That's right, it's all fun and games.

Just like when Enron execs take advantages of disparities in the stock market to help crash the economy in their attempts to make money.

The EULA clearly states that you are not to attempt to hack the server, or whatnot.

ANet could have left that outpost open for their own purposes, maybe they need it for testing, as has been said before.

Just because there's opportunity to do harm, doesn't mean you're right in doing so.

The moral bankruptcy of many of these posts confound me.

Jake_Steel · Jan 11, 2008, 08:01 PM // 20:01

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Originally Posted by i am a princess

how in the hell can you think an exploit and a hack are the same thing. no-one broke the 3rd party rule. some idiot found out about this hidden outpost and told someone, who told someone who told someone. nothing wrong in that. just love the fact that Anets taking no responsibility over it.

Except you know we've had independant verification that the EXPLOIT was FOUND using a 3rd party program to hack the CLIENT.

It was a HACK that opened an exploit.

Ban hammer HO!

rath no more · Jan 11, 2008, 08:02 PM // 20:02

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Originally Posted by Azarr#1

Again alot of you like the death penalty. Its not always the way to go simply go into the game and undo all that they took most of the people wouldnt mind if they did that its called a simple penalty not a total kill off are all of you from texas and think thats the way to go even if its in a game you cant just start killing off people that actually want to play and were willing to play GW2 because their human and want to try a simple little joy ride in the games glitches and ingame mechanics.

hell man i told them to strip my account bare and kill my toons make me start over. id rather lose it all and be able to start over again legit again then have to live with this over my head let alone lose my account heh.

SirJackassIII · Jan 11, 2008, 08:02 PM // 20:02

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Originally Posted by I D E L E T E D I

Only because they say they fixed something doesnt means its true, and if i acctually knew something about hacking a Dat file, it wouldnt be that hard to find a way around their little fix, since they have not taken out the outpost.

Those were 3 different kinds of explois/bugs, neither are related. If anything, it makes it more likely this was a hack and not an exploit since the Dec 30 one "fixed" the GH traveling. The current one probably locks the outposts for anyone that's not a GM, which would be checked by the server and thus really, really hard to circumvent.

Rocky Raccoon · Jan 11, 2008, 08:02 PM // 20:02

If it sounds to good to be true it usually is, and should be avoided. People must have known something didn't seem right but they still went ahead and did it. You can't then claim ignorance and expect no punishment. It is sad that those who have invested so much time in the game would jeopardize that for such a stupid reason.

lyra_song · Jan 11, 2008, 08:03 PM // 20:03

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Originally Posted by Azarr#1

Again alot of you like the death penalty. Its not always the way to go simply go into the game and undo all that they took most of the people wouldnt mind if they did that its called a simple penalty not a total kill off are all of you from texas and think thats the way to go even if its in a game you cant just start killing off people that actually want to play and were willing to play GW2 because their human and want to try a simple little joy ride in the games glitches and ingame mechanics.

At least you're not passing the blame. I commend you for that.

Heres my take. I think if the exploit was accessible to more players, you would not have been banned, since its not a FEW players but a LOT of players.

Banning a lot of players for what would have seemed like a common thing would have been unreasonable. For example, the Consulate Docks ferry exploit.

The Mallyx exploit was only done by a few players (relatively speaking) and could only have been activated by few players (if truzo is to be believed).

This makes it much much more dangerous than a well known/common exploit.

If everyone learned it and could do it from day 1, and it became common knowledge, no one would have been banned. Trust me.

There comes a point when TOO MANY players have done it that banning them all becomes unreasonable.

But when its still a few, banning is what Anet wants to do.

Ebony Shadowheart · Jan 11, 2008, 08:04 PM // 20:04

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Originally Posted by Azarr#1

WOW alot of people think that the death penalty is everything apparently and you make one mistake you should be killed they caused no damages to the economy. its a game it can be undone I think everyone is from texas or something. None of these people stole anything from the rest of the players. If someone robs a bank and their caught they can just give the money back to the bank that they stole it from and give the robbers a simple jail sentance and let them try to live on again.

I believe hackers should be banned. An those that use that hacked 'exploit' aren't really any better.

Now, in this we are arguing is it a hack (that people took advantage of) or was just it a glitch left by anet? We have arguments from both sides, some say its a hack (Gaile being one of them, but she can only tell us what she's told to tell us. Don't shoot the messenger ppl) and we have others claiming its just another bug/glitch.

Here's my thoughts:

If its actually a hack job (which at this point I'm inclined to believe), the ban is just. People can whine all they want, but I feel it should stand.

If it's just another bug, as others are claiming, then I can agree with a temp-ban and removing all the stuff they got from exploiting it.

Either way, this was wrong and they knew it and some punishment is required.

Clait · Jan 11, 2008, 08:04 PM // 20:04

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Originally Posted by Aiden Arcana

hahahaha I LOVE that "Its already proven. Gaile said it." So Gaile NEVER makes a mistake? Hmm I remember a little green frog...Gaile=Human humans make mistakes.Take your parents for example. So to base fact on what one person says was your mistake. I have already stated i was one of the 117 who as Gaile says it "HACKED the .DAT file." Okay could someone PLEASE point me in the direction of this .DAT file, if im going to get banned for it, migyht as well know what IT is.

There is an old saying, "A lie told enough times becomes the truth."
Fact is if Anet said 2 + 2 = 5, there would be ignorant people that would by that. If you said "No, 2 +2 = 4," you would be calling Anets infallibility into question. They deam themselves gods on their game, and any opposition is heresy. It seams much easier to continue a lie by calling it a hack. When in reality the mechanics are no different then a simple ferry. Whatever Anet says becomes fact, whether it is logical or not.

X Artimus X · Jan 11, 2008, 08:05 PM // 20:05

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Originally Posted by Drop of Fear

top alliance? 1000 people who play together and do titles? some of them for sure. but if u wanna go hunt the worst game exploiters u will find them in cavalon and hzh alliances

Wow, taking shots at cavalon and hzh alliances? I too have been in these alliances and found nothing but kind people. I'm sure there are bad apples in every bushell. To down a whole alliance for the actions of some? racist much?

:]

Trub · Jan 11, 2008, 08:06 PM // 20:06

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Originally Posted by myrealnameismatt

You have obviously never been part of that community - HA players running the same 8 skills day in day out might be considered that same way. FFF was just the activity that bought us together - there were many many people who played all aspects of the game with many maxed out titles, helping and supporting each other to become better pve'rs. There is nothing like a common goal to bring people together in the game and I for one think that our community was one of the most close-knit in the game.

I'm taking a wild stab in the dark here..lemme guess...there's a smidge over 100 'gamers' standing with you at the time of your 'common goal(s)'?
PLEASE STOP TRYING TO JUSTIFY YOUR EXPLOITING OF OUR GAME WITH SUGARY PHRASES!!
(excuse my yelling yall)
It just rubs me the wrong way when I see those that cannot grasp the fact that when you break a rule..you pay for it in the manner as stated in the EULA.
No what if's...no 'but just my items and gold can be taken away.'
Banned means BANNED.

IslandHermet · Jan 11, 2008, 08:06 PM // 20:06

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Originally Posted by I D E L E T E D I

lololololololololol is all i can seriously say about that xD
I get loads of guest invites when i acctually DO team up for PvE. So next time i do Urgoz i wont join the team of people i have played with many times jsut cos thanks to you i know they must be using an exploit.

wow do not misunderstand my post that bad. lol you are special if you misunderstood that much. Never said anything about a exploit.

Urgoz and deep are different no clue why you put that up.

As for DOA tho you should know that if you get a guest invite and ported to the guild hall something is wrong and you should leave. the one thing that should scream this is not right is when you to the mallyx's citidel outpost and another should be the enter mission, and no high priest. 3 huge things that scream this is wrong and I should not be in here.

bobbylr · Jan 11, 2008, 08:06 PM // 20:06

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Originally Posted by Puritans Aid

I have to reply to some of this, I simply cant keep quiet, PLUS im extremely bored, as the time I ussually spend playing guild wars, is now being spent lobbying for my account back, and reading this forum.

First let me tell some people, 2 man, fow, hard mode, ever done it? I have never been in a run when I didnt make 10k. NEver, the runs take about 20 minutes. On a good run I might make 100k. *IE gold r9 perfect chaos axe drop*.. 60k an hour is an estimation of averages. OK Another thing< i farm middle of night, when least ppl are on gw. U might think that doesnt matter, but I have recorded 60% better drop rates on ecto and shards during hours when there are less players on.

About my noobedness. Apparently everyone here thinks everyone who "exploited this" did it knowingly, that its a haxor, et etc. My friend last night, got on his alt account, with no hax whatso ever obtained this town again, then left. took dated screen shots to prove it.

OK! bug fixed a net? lie to me more.

I HONESTLY didnt know it was something not allowed. I had done urgoz/the deep. The towns are very simular. I had done all 4 previous parts to this quest. I had no idea you had to re do them over and over, as the ONLY time I've ever done any of it was this way., and then only to the extent of 1 armbrace, which litterally cost me more than i made.

I miss my account greatly. I loved guild wars. I was unkowingly doing something wrong, and I am punished for it. I am paranoid of even playing my alt, becuase if I buy EOTN or play it, and aquire things, How am i to know it wont get banned in a months time>?

It had been a month since I did this mallyx run. I did perhaps a max total of 25 runs, with only 15 success, IE 1 armbrace, in a 2 month time frame. I thought it was an update to the game, a legit town. I was wrong. I am a noob retard, OK .

I am sorry that I used it, I would help a net to find a culprit if there was one, and I would give up all the gold and green malyx weapons on my account for it back.

does any of this help my case, EULA or no? I doubt it. If they end up banning 1000 ppl, who would care? They get to sell 4 million copies.

My 400Dollars or so isnt crap to them. And neither is my honesty, compasion, in game experiance etc. As I stated before, I probably give away more gold than most ppl make in a day.

I do also perhaps make more gold, (than most) but if you farm PST 2 am to 4 am, FOW and UW hard mode 2 man, you will make 60k an hr average. If u have a brain and dont continual fail.

I agree, maybe I was guilty by idiocy. Its happened to many people before, and I stand up and say, what I did was wrong. IT was wrong of me not to realize it was not legit. It was wrong of me to do it.

That said, When I first got urgoz mapped onmy guild hall/urgoz guy (ranger) I kept that barrage ranger in GH/urgoz map status for a year) I guess I should have reported that to anet as a glitch. surely there cant be some hidden super mission where 12 ppl can go! It cant be legit right? NO I took it as a matter of course in the game, just asi I took THE DEEP, URGOZ, Ebon citedel of mallyx.

I really didnt know. Question me all you want, If my alt doesnt get banned, I will even show you all how to farm UW/fow.

but dont call me a liar any more please. I dont lie. I dont cheat.

Thanks for all the posts. The careing shown by a good portion of the comunity has me hopeful of a repeal of the perm ban on my account. If A net doesnt repeal the ban, I guess World or war craft will have to be my vice, if they do, I look forward to buying the pvp unlocks, and learning a part of the game I dont know anything about.

Thanks to everyone, thanks gaile gray, for confusing us further

, and most of all, be honest, fair, and have a fun time in a fun game. Stop flaming ppl who are honest, and calling them hacker/cheater/loosers. Most of us arent. to my guildies and my friends,
Some of you guys did perhaps over farm this. I know we didnt realize it was wrong/bannable, but some of you with your rich ass alts now.. pft. ouch. sry gw community I guess
to the rest of you unfairly banned, I wish us all good luck in getting our accounts back. good honest players, Fun to play with, great people. Thanks for making my guild wars experiance unique, fun, and most of all, un noobish.

special thanks to
" Jz husband. I loved playing with you. if one or the other of us dont get our accounts back, please play wow with me, or some other game. Our friendship isnt GW deep.
to
TAGNE= your a stud. lets pound some WOW ppl and show them what gamings about
Chris, both of you, your great guys, looking forward to COD + wow with ya in the future
the guild leader - Sorry you werent online the last 4 months. we missed ya. hope your not in jail.
azaaarr---- pwnage ftw! if any 2 monks in guild wars were as good as you and I , I never met them. TY for all the good farming.
our chinamen, your awsome, even if the caffien does sometimes go to your head. WOW with us?
I know im leaving a bunch out, but I only want to name ones who named themselves, or who i could think of a clever way to name them without anyone elese knowing who they are.. lol

great great group of gamers, the guild wars communities loss if our bans stick.

To all those who say its not a loss, You dont know us, and wont, so dont judge people. in a few months if you get into something that you dont know is wrong, and get banned for it, you wont have us around to console you.

ALL OTHERS, enjoy the game. Its fun.

To all PRE farmers. Its the real joy of the game. dont let it die ever!!

*lvl 15 in pre warrior ftw!!!*

peace.

Go puritan
Mabey we get our account back.

I D E L E T E D I · Jan 11, 2008, 08:07 PM // 20:07

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Originally Posted by SirJackassIII

Those were 3 different kinds of explois/bugs, neither are related. If anything, it makes it more likely this was a hack and not an exploit since the Dec 30 one "fixed" the GH traveling. The current one probably locks the outposts for anyone that's not a GM, which would be checked by the server and thus really, really hard to circumvent.

thats what i thought initially. But if that is the case then we wouldnt be able to complete the mallyx quest since we "access" this outpost when fighting him.

pablo24 · Jan 11, 2008, 08:08 PM // 20:08

I reported this exploit to ArenaNet the 9th November 2007, they could easily have fixed it and nobody would be banned. They don't care about this game, all they want is money, and they will only fix exploits once they get known by the community. I still have 5 MAJOR exploits in Guild Wars that are NOT fixed but ArenaNet knows about them since at least some months.

Btw I want to add just for the irony of it: I still have 2 ways of accessing that secret outpost. And I don't consider those as MAJOR exploits like the ones I said above.